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Partial Transcript of CNN Show from 2/2006 featuring two different hoarders. (One of the hoarders in this show, Kathleen, was featured on the Dr. Keith Ablow Show 10/13/06)
COLLINS: In tonight's "Mysteries of the Mind," extreme hoarding. Now, I'm not talking about the usual cluttered closets or a teenager's dirty laundry littering the bedroom floor. You are about to enter the homes of some people who simply cannot help hoarding piles of pretty much everything. They almost never throw anything away. Ted Rowlands explores this strange compulsion, one of the "Mysteries of the Mind."
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ROWLANDS (voice-over): From the outside, this home seems to fit its suburban Illinois neighborhood. But inside, you immediately see that Kathleen Haskin has a problem.
KATHLEEN HASKIN, HOARDER: My paperwork's over in this direction. Some of this is books that I just recently got, because I definitely hoard books.
ROWLANDS: Kathleen is a hoarder. Nearly every room in her house is stacked with things she's collected and won't let go. Clothes she's never worn, presents she's never given, knickknacks, furniture. It's endless.
HASKIN: I also hoard -- I love tapes, I love music. I like any self-help stuff, development things. So I have a lot of tapes. Haven't put all the holiday decorations away yet, so I've got a pile there.
You know, the things have a tendency to get knocked over.
ROWLANDS: There's laundry on the floor, some of it clean; the kitchen is overflowing. Even Kathleen's bed is full of stuff.
(on camera): How do you sleep in this bed? Where do you -- how do you do it?
HASKIN: Well, what I usually do, when it's time to go to bed, I just move the stuff. This stuff I put on the bed as I'm sorting, but I just move everything off usually like this.
ROWLANDS (voice-over): Kathleen says last summer she slept outside on this swing, because her house was so full. She says over the years, people have tried to help her.
HASKIN: People have thrown my things away before, and I've actually gone back to the trash to get it, to retrieve it, and brought like the whole trashbag in and gone through it. And one time, I even climbed in a dumpster because they threw my things in a dumpster.
ROWLANDS: Kathleen is a nurse, twice divorced, and mother of five. Her 13-year-old daughter is the only child still living at home. Kathleen says her hoarding has not affected her job, but has hurt her family. Her son Abraham left home at the age of 14 to live with an older sister. Kathleen says before he left, he told her he wished that she was a drug addict. HASKIN: He actually said to me, I wish you were, because then they'd have a reason to take me away from you. That's how strong he felt about the clutter.
PETER BELANGER, KATHLEEN'S SON: We're all trying to help my mom progress in what -- in her situation, trying to get her out from the hole that she's in.
HASKIN: Kathleen's son Peter is in college. He's planning to move in with his mother during his summer break. He says the mess may be an issue.
BELANGER: You don't want to take the average person to your house and show them, this is what my house looks like.
ROWLANDS (on camera): Kathleen is by no means alone. It is estimated that hundreds of thousands of others in the United States are suffering from the same problem, including Richard Duffield. Richard has not allowed anybody into his house in 33 years, until now. He's allowing us to see it for the first time.
(voice over): Richard's hoarding problem is with paper.
RICHARD DUFFIELD, HOARDER: Mainly books, trade papers, Variety, Hollywood Reporter.
ROWLANDS: Richard lives alone in Los Angeles. For years he's been saving newspaper articles, magazines and any other document he finds interesting.
DUFFIELD: This is a file of opera reviews.
ROWLANDS: Richard says he has a problem with procrastination.
DUFFIELD: I bought these lamps at a friend's yard sale. Wonderful lamps, I'll use those someday. Here they are seven, eight years later because I'm too busy getting more or avoiding them.
ROWLANDS: Richard also avoids his kitchen, which he says he hasn't used for six years.
DUFFIELD: Around the year 2000, it became of no interest to me and obviously too cluttered and too much bother. I went about my business and ignored it.
ROWLANDS: Richard also ignored his roof. For years it was leaking. But instead of getting it fixed, Richard said he just put buckets down to catch the water. Richard says he wanted to fix his roof but couldn't decide who he should hire.
DUFFIELD: I would have estimates but then deciding which one it should be? I might make a mistake.
ROWLANDS: Both Richard and Kathleen acknowledge they have a problem. Kathleen said she used to keep a clean house. She's not sure if her problem is due to heredity. She says she has an aunt who broke her hip stumbling over clutter.
Kathleen bruised her ankle the same way the day before our interview. Kathleen says she buys most of her stuff from dollar stores and garage sales, constantly fighting the urge to buy more.
HASKIN: I'm going like three different thrift stores and two dollar stores and it's just like if an alcoholic is going by a bar and they want another drink. I want to go in and buy more.
ROWLANDS: Kathleen is trying to help herself through an Internet self-help group, but acknowledges she hasn't made much progress when it comes to cleaning her house.
DUFFIELD: I threw away 60 empty boxes a month ago from the living room. Looks like there are a lot in there now but there were 60 more.
ROWLANDS: Richard said it was a big decision to let us into his home after keeping it a secret from family and friends for 33 years. He's seeing Karron Maidment, a therapist with the UCLA Obsessive- Compulsive Disorder Program.
KARRON MAIDMENT, UCLA OCD PROGRAM: What is your anxiety level there?
DUFFIELD: Seven, eight.
MAIDMENT: OK. It hasn't been that high for a long time.
DUFFIELD: That's right.
ROWLANDS: Richard's therapy is focused on teaching him how to get rid of things he thinks are important.
MAIDMENT: We want people with compulsive hoarding to throw away things that feel special or important and see if it really is as catastrophic as they think it's going to be.
ROWLANDS: According to some experts, hoarding is the most difficult obsessive-compulsive disorder to treat, with only about half of those who seek treatment having success. Richard says throwing some things away is so difficult, he actually has a physical reaction to it.
DUFFIELD: You feel a constriction in the throat, a fast beating of the heart, something in the stomach, sometimes a bit of nausea.
ROWLANDS: Since getting help a few months ago, Richard has made progress. He's cleared a hallway and his bedroom of clutter. After getting four estimates he finally hired someone to fix his roof.
Kathleen says she works a few hours a week clearing different zones in her house. She's hoping that eventually with the help of her Internet group and a few close friends she can someday get her house in order and her family back. Ted Rowlands, CNN, De Kalb, Illinois.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COLLINS: One more thing, if you or someone you know needs some help battling hoarding, you can do an Internet search for the Obsessive-Compulsive Foundation for consult your doctor.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 @ 01:11:19 ICT by Donna
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